Question:
Do I HAVE to see the shrink my surgeon prefers? Can he refuse to do my surgery if I don't?

My surgeon requires that I use the psychologist that he recommends, why can't I use the one I did before? I had to have a psych evaluation to get insurance approval. Now my Dr. wants another one done by his recommended psychologist who is very expensive. My insurance will not pay for another evaluation. I passed the first evaluation and don't feel I should be forced to use his psychologist. Can he refuse my surgery if I don't see his person?    — Janet W. (posted on June 22, 2003)


June 22, 2003
Yes, your surgeon can do just about anything he wants. He either has a kick-back (money) involvement, or he really wants his patients to meet some strict preparedness guidelines, and he knows this particular psych provider follows his expectations. I would definitely stand my ground. As long as your psych provider is a PhD or MD, there should be absolutely NO reason you should have to go to his preferred provider. If your surgeon is crooked, I wouldn't trust him. If he is above board but expects compliance no matter what, well I guess it is up to you as to whether you are willing to be controlled by him.
   — bethybb

June 22, 2003
Why won't your ins. co cover at least a portion of the appointment...80% or so? Do you have an HMO or a PPO? Good luck; I wish I had gone with my WLS doc's psych the first time, instead of the one who "failed" me...
   — rebeccamayhew

June 22, 2003
You surgeon can do anything he darn well pleases unless he is employed by your insurance company, which is not typical. I would ask specifically why another psych evaluation has to be done and that this is not covered by your insurance. If he is that big of a jerk and won't budge then find another surgeon. If he is the only one covered by your insurance then complain to them what he is doing. I just made it clear from the start that I was using my doctors and the surgeon said it was fine. I hope you can work this out!
   — zoedogcbr

June 22, 2003
Well, you guys know me and you won't be surprised that I had to jump in here. First of all let me say that our surgeon requires all of our patients to see a specific psychologist. This, in no way, makes him a JERK and a KICK BACK is the last thing in the world that's involved. Let me explain, as someone who works in the field, why we require the use of certain medical professionals. We require that all of our patients see an internist associated with the hospital where the surgery is performed. The internist is not part of our surgeon's practice and the internist does not pay, reimburse or kick back any type of funds to the surgeon or the hospital. The reason we require you to see a particular internist is this: As we all know, this is a risky surgery. If you should develop complications while you are in the hospital we want an internist associated with our hospital who already knows you and who already has all of your records. This is in your best interest as a patient. As for the psychologist - we require that our patients see a particular psychologist. Once again, there is no payment, reimbursement or kick back involved regarding the surgeon or the hospital. We send our patients to this psychologist because he has made the effort to further educate himself specifically regarding bariatric surgery and the psychological issues associated with it. All of this is done with our patient's best interest at heart. I urge those of you who have suggested that surgeon's are jerks or of questionable integrity regarding the preoperative process would reconsider your opinion. These opinions are posted as fact when in reality they are simply an opinion and probably not based in fact. While WLS has been around for a long time - the "program" aspect of it is in it's infancy and all surgeons are different. Simply because one surgeon does things differently than another doesn't make them less desireable, knowlegeable or honorable. Let's try to stop the surgeon bashing and realize they generally have a good reason for why they do things the way they do. Thanks for the opportunity to vent and best wishes to all.
   — ronascott

June 22, 2003
NO! If he wants to deny your surgery because you won't line a friends pockets, get thee to another surgeon, PRONTO.
   — Sharon M. B.

June 22, 2003
In a way, your surgeon is God in his world. If you want to play in his world, then you have to follow his rules. If you don't like his rules, then get thee to another doctor. It's simple really. There are many surgeons, many beliefs and many diets associated with WLS. It's up to you how you want to handle things. Best of luck - it's never an easy choice!
   — [Deactivated Member]

June 23, 2003
I too disagree with the many comments here that make it look like the surgeons are just slaves to the insurance, or money grubbers out to finance their 'buddies' in the profession. I did my own research and the folks my surgeon refers us to are the ONLY two in the entire metro area with ANY shred of experience with WLS. Sure, ANY mental health professional CAN write a letter stating that they feel you are qualified for WLS.. but their reasons may not be the type of information that your insurance company is looking for to give you the 'green light' for surgery approval. There is also more to this than just administering and scoring the MMPI.. there is generally also a food evaluation test, and there is a follow up with the provider to discuss your results and the type of surgery you desire. Perhaps you could have your test results from the previous round forwarded to the provider of your surgeons choice, then just have the follow up appointment? But it would depend on how long ago you did it too. Just a thought. My insurance company wouldn't pay for my testing.. but in the big picture this was just another way for me to solidify that WLS was indeed the route I wanted to take, and if it meant sacrificing in other areas to pay the bill, then that's what I had to do. Sure, folks can find another surgeon if they really want to, but in the end you have to go with someone you can trust.. I know this sounds harsh, but if all anyone is seeing in this is dollar signs and how fast they can have surgery, then perhaps it's time to rethink exactly why they want to have this done. It's utterly horrific how many posts I see here where people seem to care more about what's going to be less of a 'bite' on their finances than on whether their surgeon offers a good program (before and after care) and is someone they feel comfortable trusting with their life, because this IS the rest of your life you're talking about. All of this of course is just my opinion, to be taken or left as anyone sees fit. Best of luck whatever you choose to do. ~Peace
   — Joscelin

June 23, 2003
Okay.. I have to clarify something here... Not all surgeons know EVERY psych out there/in their area with wls experience. Just as long as you find a psych you are comfortable with, and your insurance accepts should be enough. How does anyone get experience without being allowed to experience it? I'd go to who I was comfortable with. It is as simple as that. Hugs! Good Luck!
   — Sharon M. B.

June 23, 2003
Rona, I respectfully disagree. I feel that my treating psychiatrist of 4 years knew me way better and could determine whether I was mentally prepared for this surgery and life change than someone who didn't know me from adam. I have no problem if someone doesn't have a treating psychiatrist and the surgeon sends them to his doctor of choice, but I feel it is a slap in the face to my psychiatrist and our doctor/patient relationship to say he can't do the evaluation as good as the surgeon's doctor. JMO!
   — zoedogcbr

June 23, 2003
I understand many of your responses supporting the surgeon's wishes to see his specialist but in this case the other eval is already done. If there is something wrong with it then he should call and talk with the evaluating doctor. Not jump dump it in the garbage and start over. I'd insist they submit with that eval, assuming it was a supportive evaluation. <p>I also go forced into a situation where I had to use a local internist while I was in the hospital as my internist did not have priviliges at that hospital. I was fine with this till I met the guy, then I tried to get another doctor. I doubt he could have saved me if he had too. He didn't even ask many questions and I have a very extensive and complicated medical history. When my surgeon found out I was making waves about this doctor and wanted to change he was way less than pleased and personally talked to me and pretty much made it clear that if I changed he would have postponed or cancelled my surgery, which I did not want. He gave reasons that this internist is familiar with working with the bariatric patients etc and that he is used to all these co-morbs and it's no big deal to him. That's exactly what my problem was - nothing was a big deal to him, much less worth discussing. I let the surgeon have his way but made it clear to my mom if there were any issues I wanted my internist contacted immediately, even if it meant paying him out of my pocket. At least I know he would pull out all the stops to save me and thoroughly knew my medical history. Needless to say it was not a pleasant time whenever the internist came to see me. If he said 10 words to me the whole three days I was there that would be a lot. He didn't even give me discharge information. Obviously he got wind of my opinion of him. To this day if I never have him again, it will be just fine with me. If I end up having any PS and they require an internist I will definitely get someone else.
   — zoedogcbr




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