Question:
Should you or shouldnt you??? The million dollor question

   — Lovett (posted on April 8, 2004)


April 8, 2004
Tina: I am so sorry about your friend. It must be devastating for you in light of what you've just told us. Did your friend do any research at all on the surgeons she chose? If not, that was a mistake, but I can understand her emotions regardless. It can be hard not to be carried away with the desire to have this surgery. We have to fight between the intellectual and the emotional throughout the entire process. I am somewhat skeptical about professionals advertising in the way those doctors did, as I'm old enough to remember when it was not legal for lawyers to advertise their services. But that may not mean, necessarily, that they are bad doctors. If they did not put her through a battery of tests and requirements, and thoroughly check her health status prior to surgery, then yes, they are bad doctors.<p>I would like to tell you that I think there should be limits on the surgery, but if I said that and meant it, then I would have been excluded from having it myself. My only health problems prior to surgery were heel spurs, back and neck pain, and mild sleep apnea. I was 100 pounds overweight, and had not been under 200 pounds for over 25 years. I suffered quite a bit, however, from mental anquish, depression, loss of hope, and did so for many, many years because I could not control my weight problem through my own efforts. If you asked me, "did you really need the surgery?" my answer would be a resounding "yes." So where do you really draw the line for this? I honestly can't say, but I would like to hear others' opinions on this part of your question.<p>I and I know many others here will be praying for your friend to make it. Please try to be strong for her. Best wishes.
   — Carlita

April 8, 2004
My nightmare Wanda Smart. <P>http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/status.phtml?N=S1007516003<P> If you visit please leave some encouraging words. I was her inspiration, she spent over a year in the hospital, mostly in ICU. I have had a very hard time with this. But EVERYONE who gets WLS is informed of the risks in advance. My surgeons patients sure are. Will the poster please drop me a email at [email protected] and we can talk privately if you want. I KNOW how difficult this is. No I dont believe there should be limits, as a matter of fact I think that 100 pound standard should be lowered a lot. Theres physical pain and illness, but the mental hassle of being so big is difficult too. Each one of us has to make our own decisions in life. I will say a prayer she recovers and does great.
   — bob-haller

April 8, 2004
I'm so sorry for your friend. I hope she improves. I knew about all the risks before I had surgery. I accepted those risks vs being fat for the rest of my life. The 1 in 200 mortality rate is pretty standard for most surgical procedures. I wouldn't hesitate to have any necessary surgery. I don't quite think it's right to say something like you need to be 150lbs overweight and have 3 co-morbidities to be considered for surgery. I believe the process is complex enough. If it was up to me; any morbidly obese competent adult could have the surgery. If you do some indepth research on this site I think you would learn that more people die while waiting/fighting for surgery than expire from the surgery itself.
   — PattyL

April 8, 2004
Tina, I will continue to keep ypur frined in my prayers. However, it was not the surgery. What people fail to realize is that the suergery is not more or less comlicated then any other surgeries. When considering this option, you must find the perfect Doctor. One who has performed hundreds of surgeries with little or no complications. It would seem a bit scary and would cause me tothinki if the surgeon is advertising. That would have caused me to wonder. Most surgeons that perform the surgeries are gerneral surgeons and practice in other areas. RESEARCH is the key to success. I chose a Dr. here is Jacksonville, Florida where I am from but was glad that my primary Dr. refused to allow me to see this surgeon due to what he knew. He refered me to a great Sergeon who is two hours away but he has performed thousands of ths surgery and others. He is a practicing sergeon and teacher at UF in Gainesville. RESEARCH is the key.
   — Steffanie J.

April 8, 2004
Selecting the right surgeon is certinally very important! My surgeons group does the super MOs of 750 pounds who cant walk and complicated revisions too most done LAP. Yet his groups death rate is .4 percent well under the ations average for the RNY of 1 to 2%. I think its because they are a teaching hospital, a high volume operationd doing the last time I asked about 25 a week. Experienced means seeing lots of rare complications and having had them come up before. My surgeon does intensive pre op testing, where some here report had blood test the morning of surgery and that was all the testing required:( My surgeon does nearly all RNYs LAP. That minimizes the cutting and trauma to the body,and with the small holes the chance of infection too. All of this makes it easier on our bodies.Plus we are encouraged to walk walk walk right after surgery. The teaching hospital means the best and britest support docs are there too. Heck a Dr Rosser a world known surgeon picked my surgeon to do his RNY. He looked fantastic last time I saw him and had some funny sad comments about SOME surgeons who are just in it for the money. He recommends if your first visit to a surgeon doesnt find MO comfy big chairs go elsewhere. I hope some of this helps people find the safest best surgeon available.
   — bob-haller

April 8, 2004
It sounds like this group of surgeons is a big part of the reason insurance companies are stopping coverage of WLS. More and more marginally qualified surgeons are getting into it for the money, not because they really want to help people. The way my insurance company has it set up, there is criteria that must be met, using the NIH criteria. There is always an appeal process, but if you don't meet criteria in some way, forget it. (I haven't seen anyone be turned down.) I don't think just anyone should be able to get WLS. I think we all know of someone who had WLS and didn't do well or had unrealistic expectaions. I saw a request come yesterday for a woman who is a "lightweight" - she had a page and a half of allergies and another page and a half of surgeries and things that have happened to her. If I was the surgeon, I wouldn't touch her!
   — koogy

April 9, 2004

   — Lovett

April 9, 2004
It has become a $$$$$$$ for some surgeons, they get the money and dont seem to care about the needs of the person. Overweight/obese people are/get desperate, and these surgeons pray on that..I had my surgery the 9th of dec. 2003 and was so blessed to have a great surgeon.. I feel that the surgeon MUST have a great pre-op (testing, bloodwork,diet ect.) and at least a 12 month post-op plan, and have it put in place BEFORE you have the surgery.. there is enough risks in the surgery alone without having added risks with a surgeon that is just in it for the money. I didn't want to think this way at first, but it's a proven fact..research your surgon FIRST, and ask all the uneasy question's, if they dont want to answer them, then find another surgeon. Prayers for you friend for a GODS speed recovery!
   — Kalli R.

April 9, 2004
Hi Tina, first let me start by saying that I am very sorry about your friend and hope that she recovers well. I am not sure of which medical group in Fresno you hear on the radio, but I did travel to Fresno for surgery and I am very happy with my surgeon. He does follow patient for five years and although he does not require that you lose weight, he does track your body fat percentage and requires that you walk 2 miles a day. I don't agree that you should have to have a medical problem to qualify for surgery. I would have not qualified. I am 28 years old, and a single parent and I was not only too overweight to enjoy life, but even had trouble staying awake after 8 hours of sitting at a desk! I am very grateful, and feel that I have been blessed. 9/4/03 278/188/150
   — Natalie G.

April 9, 2004
In no way was I knocking this particular surgeon as a matter of fact I have no idea who they are. Insurance is trying to elminate surgery for obesity just to save money. they look at the rising demand for WLS as a expense, rather than how much good it does for all of us:( Insurances trouble is most people change carriers every 2 or 3 years. So insurance companies dont feel they save money long term because their customers dont remain that long. To them we are but a expense to minimize:( My surgeons comments are to give people something to look for when they are shopping for one to help people get good care. I pray your friend recovers. As I found out from wanda people can and do survive such sad times. BTW I spoke with wanda a week or so ago and she sounds great with a good attitude. Although I had mentioned some downside risk before wanda had her surgery I never thought she would have such a tough time. I recommend everyone encouraging others to talk of what can go wrong. That helps some if things go bad. We are all responsible for our own decisions in life.
   — bob-haller

April 9, 2004
the sad fact is that those who have severe surgical complications from WLS would likely have had serious complications from ANY surgery they had. I cannot comment on the docs as I do not know them or the whole situation. I personally believe that any one who is severly obese should have this surgery available to them. As far as "trying everything" to lose weight first, well, in my case it was wasted years of my life that I didn't get to live the way I wanted to trying to lose weight on diets that are destined to fail, that 95% of all people will fail. It sure beats you up struggling at something that is a losing battle before you even start. < 5% of morbidly obese will lose weight thru diet and exercise, and making them sruggle for years to get "earn " the right to have surgery is like unfairly imprisoning a person. **my opinion**
   — **willow**




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