Question:
Jitters - I need some up front this is what to expect stuff.

I am the type that needs to know what to expect and don't like surprises. I have my lap rny on Apr. 18th and have a few weeks to prepare mentally. On a scale of 1 - 10 and 10 being the pain of kidney stones or child birth...what was your level of pain upon waking up? Did you wake with a tube down your nose/throat? Could you sit comfortably? Sip water soon after waking? Did anesthesia make you grouchy? How much pain meds did you take and for how many days? I don't like pain meds.....give me hallucinations.....ewe! I have a fairly high tolerance for pain as I have crippling arthitis and restrictive lung disease. So, I am not worried so much about the pain, but would like to know what to expect. Much of my pain tolerance and coping is done with mental preparation. My bigger fear of pain really is the thought of having a major arthritis flare up while in the hospital. I don't do well if in bed for a few days. I quit taking arthritis meds about 4 years ago and have come up with different techniques to make up for it and a lot of it is mental. No I am not a flake.....I have just had so many reactions to the arthritis meds that I am done with them..... anything to expect that I have missed or tips would be appreciated. Thanks, Bob    — Bob Has Disappeared (posted on March 27, 2005)


March 27, 2005
Hi bob, I am a bob too. See my profile it was designed just for you, lots of details of immediate post op life. Feel free to e mail me [email protected]. I am the vounteer Mod who cares for Q&A
   — bob-haller

March 27, 2005
Hi, first off I didn't wake up with anything down my throat. My first thought was"ok I am alive" My second thought was " was it done open" fortunatly it was lap I had to ask the nurse that was in there because I couldn't feel anything. I had no pain they give some pretty good stuff I stood up about 2 minutes after waking up and called my DH and checked checked on him and kids. gotta be honest though I think I scared my little girl because I was so out of it I didn't know what I was saying and when I realized I was talking out of my head I had to hang up, (They were at a hotel and I kept telling her to go to her room and put a tape in the vcr) I was confusing her so after that I walked the hall and did that about every hour and half or so till I left the hospital. I took my pain meds regular wether I was hurting or not because with the walking I didn't want to hurt I was scared more of a clot and the gas pain is worse than the surgery pain so the only way to get it out is to walk. The feeling of being cutand the internal feels like You got punched in the stomach a few times or did about a 101 sit ups just this uncomfortable tightness. When You drink water or tea or whatever they serve you it almost feels like to much at first and you can feel it go down remember to sip. The pain meds I took the first day home the second day I got sick and the third day I realized it was the pain meds.So I stopped them.No Problem. And I cought up on sleep once home. Slept in my own bed no problem except rolling over (I didn't) and setting down was worse than standing up(the action). And I have to say adjusting to the new way off life was easier at the hospital Because the regiman was set. You will do good everyone is differant, but the basics are the same.
   — Shell G

March 27, 2005
Hi Bob: I woke in very bad pain. I did not expect it because I have had many surgeries, and have previously been given enough medication before waking that this did not happen. I instructed doctor to do such, but evidently they preferred not to. I did not give birth naturally to any of my three children, but experienced a long labor with the first. I would compare it to that, but then you have no way of knowing what it is like. I guess I can tell you this. I would not have had more children if I had to go through labor again, but I would have this surgery again. I do not know exactly how long the really bad pain lasted. I'd like to think they gave me something strong immediately. The second day was bad. I did not like the morphine pump. Luckily, my doctor had ordered some kind of shot what worked miracles (I have no problem with pain medication). i guess demerol once made me paranoid. I knew I would have no tubes or catherder sp?, when I woke up because I asked. I have a low tolerance for pain, so would have called first waking up a nine, second day about 8. I made sure I walked as soon as possible...gas pain can be pretty bad, and this helps. I did not sit for awhile. My hospital bed was equiped with a pulley. I used that and help from the nurses to get up. My doctor did not allow liquids for 2 days. That was tough, but I did it. Protected my new little tummy. I am very happy I had this done. Am a little over three months out, and have gone from 214 to 171.5. They called me a lightweight, but believe me, my blood pressure and arthritis did not think that. Both are better...not gone, but much better. Feel free to e-mail. Follow the doctor's orders about food, water, and protein. They know of what they speak.
   — lindarodham6

March 27, 2005
Bob , i am not going to lie and tell u it was a walk in the park but when i first woke up from my lap rny i was in pain and i always keep my self on the meds the first day but when i started walking around that is the best thing for u . i didn't wake up with nothing down my nose or throat i could sit very comfortable sipping water was ok . the anensthesia , it did n't make me grouchy , then if u have high tolerence for pain u should do good . i went through all the emotions right before surgery and right after this is one great surgery thanks elizabeth 326/187/???
   — lizzie72

March 27, 2005
Bob, I also understand the need to mentally prepare as much as possible. While each person's situation will be different it does help to understand what others have experienced. <p>For me, when I awoke in recovery, shortly after surgery was done, I hurt like heck. But as soon as I was awake and nurse saw me move even the tinyest amount she aske me if I was in pain and when I shook my hear she said she'd get the morphine going right away. That started to take effect and I was at least no in constant severe pain. Some of it comes just from your body going through this shock. The other came from my 442 lb body laying on that skinny surgery table for 2 hours or so. I had open. I did not have any breathing tube or anything else foreign. I had been forwarned that if I was having any breathing problems, I had significant sleep apnea, that I could end up in ICU with a breathing tube, so I was at least a little prepared for the worst. Fortunately it was never necessary to go to those steps. <p>About 45 minutes later I was rolled to my room and yes I hurt, but only if I tried to move. LOL After about 2 hours the nurses were in there "forcing" me to sit up on the endge of the bed. The surgeon had told us this was his protocol, so again I expected it. Because I was so large it was very painful to get up. I could not just roll to my side, I had to roll a little and then shift my body onto my side a little more and keep repeating this until I was fully on my side. While the bed was a little wider than a typical hospital bed, for me to roll to my side in one motion would have required me being in a double bed at least. It took me 10 minutes to sit up and yes it was very painful. They kept hitting my PCA button to give me morphine to slightly tame the pain. Once I was sitting up I got up out of bed and sat in a chair. I then walked a short distance around the hallway. They did not require that much, but I figured if I had gone through all that just to sit up I might as well take advantage of it. I'm slightly paranoid of blood clots, so I knew what I had to do to help prevent them. I was also being given Lovenox to help avoid then, but extra assurance didn't hurt. <p>From a pain standpoint that was the worst of my WLS. The next day most of the pain I experienced was very sore ab muscles. I felt like I had done 1000 ab crunches. Technically I could only imagine what that pain would be like, because trying to do even 20 before surgery was a major chore. LOL From the 2nd day forward, things just kept getting better. Morphine give me headaches so I was minimally using it. They switched me to liquid Roxicet (essentially Percoset) on the morning of the 3rd day and then I got off the morphine. I went home with the Roxicet also. I was off prescription pain meds by day 5. I have a horrible history with pain meds causing severe headaches that I avoid them like the plague. But I also do realize they serve an important role in the early days. It is better to get moving and the pain drugs help facilitate that. I switched to extra strength tylenol after that. It took about 2 weeks before I could get out of bed without feeling those sore muscles, but each day it was less and less. I slept mainly in a recliner after surgery for at least a month for my long sleeping sessions, but would stretch out on the couch or in bed for 1-2 hour naps. It felt good to stretch out but if for too long a time I would end up hurting more. I would sleep on my side with pillows held up to my tummy. A lot of what I describe had to do with the fact I had open and not LAP. Therefore I felt the need to hold my stomach a lot more for fear everything would fall out. Or at least that's what it felt like. LOL <p>My doc does not allow us to have anything through the mouth until we pass our leak test the morning after surgery. Once I passed that I could start to sip water and slowly increase as I tolerated it. I also had to blow into a spirometer to clear out my lungs and got breathing treatments the first 2 days to may sure I did not develop pneumonia. Again this is SOP for my surgeon. <p>While the pain was bad, it wasn't any worse than I expected so it didn't get me down or make me feel sorry for myself. I had a pretty positive attitude about it all. I knew that it was all for a short time and the end result would be oh so worth it. I have fairly significant Fibromyalgia and severe osteoarthritis in my knees. The week before surgery was hell. They made me quit my anti-inflammatory meds and I found out just how much they had been doing for me. So I was really reading after surgery, as normal pain meds never did much for it. However, what I found was that I awoke with no symptoms of these problems and I felt great related to the symptoms for about a month. Then the Fibro started to flare up. I was allowed to go back on my Bextra in order to keep me moving. The surgeon did it reluctantly but realized there was a fine line here. Since I was eating well he told me to break the pill in half and put each piece into chewed food before swallowing. It worked fine and did not create any stomach issues. I found after abour 4-6 weeks of taking the meds things had settled down enough that I could go without the Bextra again. Wasn't symptom free, but to a level of pain I could deal with. I will never have a pain free again in my life, that I know. So I have very high tolerances of certain pains, but sharp stabbing pains are still hard for me to deal with. I took another 4 week dosage of Bextra at about 5 months PO, to keep me moving while on vacation. I now find at 25+ months PO that I don't need any sort of pain meds or anti-inflammatories on a regular basis. My knees did get horrendous at about 10 months PO and I ended up trying synvisc treatments, which didn't do a lot. I then went back to cortisone injections in the knees with better results than I had seen in about 5 years. I had actually gone about 3 years with no injections. So now I am using the injections as needed but trying to space out as far as possible and trying not to exceed three in a year. so far so good. <p>As scary as all of this is, the surgery and anything you go through will be worth it. I thought I had prepared mentally for the pain after PS, but in the pain category it was about a 20 on a scale of 1-10. When I awoke from my LBL I could not believe the pain. Not so much from the cutting and surgery but from how tight my skin was. It burned like unbelieveable. But there again I survived that too. I went on to have 2 more PS's. The pain was horrendous at times, but all worth it in the end. So just keep focused on the end goal and you will get through everything. I don't consider you a flake, just a person that feels being as prepared as possible will help them deal with whatever comes their way! Good Luck!
   — zoedogcbr

March 27, 2005
Hi Bob. First of all, congrats on your surgery date. My hospital experience was uneventful, for which I am grateful. I had Lap Rny on 12-2-04. I don't remember waking up, only being in my room with my husband and nurses. I don't remember having a lot of pain either, which was good. As far as during my stay, for me, the pain never got above 3 or 4 on the scale. I did have the PCA and tried to hit that when I knew I was getting out of bed. The pain I did feel was more aching than actual pain. It felt like I did a ton of stomach crunches and pulled muscles in my belly. My surgeon doesn't use tubes so I didn't have to worry about that. Please remember, probably the best advice I can give you, make sure you walk alot, do your breathing exercises and have a good, positive outlook. I really feel like attitude and state of mind help us heal just as much as walking and breathing. Go into this realizing you aren't going to be pain free and ride it through. I was sent home with liquid percocet and only took it for 2 days. I had a six hour drive home so the ride was tough but other than that, each day I was quickly back to my routine. I was given clearance to return to life as usual after my two week follow up, keeping in mind my surgery was done lap. Best wishes for a safe, speedy and uneventful surgery and again, congrats! Feel free to email me if you have any other questions!
   — Stephanie W.

March 27, 2005
Bob, My pain after surgery was about a 4 and that was more because of a headache than anything else. I kept pushing my morphine drip trying to get rid of my headache and it kept getting worse, and finally I told the surgeon about it and he said that the morphine was GIVING me the headache since I was prone to migraines. So as soon as he took me off the morphine and put me on something else, the migraine went away and I was up walking the halls. I had no tube down my throat, I could sit up but was very sore. I could even turn on my side and sleep at night which I know a lot of people say they can't do that. I came home after two days in the hospital and took no pain meds after I was at home. I've had no problems since. I think I have answered all your questions...oh, after waking after surgery, you can have nothing to eat or drink, then the next day, you can have ice chips, then they let you start having some clear liquids. Good luck to you, I'm sure you will come through with flying colors. Let us know how you are doing after you get home. Lynn H.
   — lharp66

March 28, 2005
Bob, Congrats on your surgery date! You will be so glad when you cross over. You can check out my profile if you would like, but I am going to e mail you so I don't post some big long answer on here! Angela (252/150/130)
   — Angela T.

March 28, 2005
Hi, I have to tell you that I woke up with very little pain. No tubes down my nose or throat, but on oxygen and IV. I work at the hospital with WLS patients and I find the ones that do the best are the ones that get up and move. The more walking that you can do, the better. I also wonder if the morphine that they give most patients isn't the cause of allot of nausa. I had delaudin and no nausea (I am allergic to morphine). I didn't use it much as I didn't feel I needed it. I walked so much that I started a light work-out at 2 weeks. I have lost over 100" in 13 months. I am a support group leader and I can almost tell which patients are going to have a problem before they ever go into surgery by their attitudes. If they offer pre-op classes, make sure that you are there as the more prepared you are, the better that you will do. If they have support groups there, start going now and ask questions. I have been told numerous times that having the knowedge of what to expect makes all the differance in the world. Research and reading about what they are doing is excellent. Ask your doctor all the stupid questions that you can think of. They prefer that you do that because they want you prepared. Each doctor does some thing differant, so nobody can really tell you what he/she is going to do but them. I have had gall bladder, 3 knee replacements, shoulder replacement and this was a walk in the park in comparision! Good Luck - The next year is going to be one of the most exciting years of your life! Document it for yourself. You will be glad that you did! Judy Harris
   — jk_harris

March 28, 2005
please go to my profile. BUT remember mine was OPEN and yours will not be. I have had a MAJOR surgery done laproscopically. I did well. Went home in 18 hours and never had the first problem, BUT with the WLS I had many problems. My main concern for you is the fact that you already have pain daily from arthritis. I have severe fibromyalgia and the doc DID NOT control my pain. A few errors occured within the first 2-3 hours. The nurse did not hook the PCA pump up to me...it ran out on the floor as I screamed for "something, anything for pain." JUST BE SURE AND DISCUSS PAIN CONTROL WITH YOUR PHYSICIAN. I could not get the Heparin or Torodol that is usually given after surgery because the doc nicked my spleen and I bled out, so I couldn't take anything that might thin my blood. I know you will do just fine, but you sound like me...if I know what to expect then that's all I need. The unexpected is what throws me off. Good luck..and again please read my profile.
   — debi327

March 28, 2005
Are you having the open RNY or the lap RNY? I had the lap RNY and didn't experience much pain at all. On a scale of 1 to 10, the highest level of pain I had was a "4". I was on Lortab 5, which seemed to be all I needed. I only took it for 3 days, then didn't seem to need it after that. I was walking within 2 hrs of surgery...short distances, but I walked. I didn't have problems getting up. Anethesia made me feel worse than the actual surgery. I was really tired and groggy from it. After a few days, I seemed to be over it. I tired easily the first week. The drain tube in my left side was a bit of a pain, but it was out in 5 days. After that came out, I felt 100% better.
   — csanchez1111

March 30, 2005
Dear Bob, First let me start by saying good luck and health to the begining of your new life change. I underwent open ended RYN about 18 mths ago...since loosing 162 pds went from sze 24 to a size 4 jeans tiny now people cannot believe I was ever heavy...It was by far the best thing I have done formyself kept loosing and gaining...I now run 6mi a day at a gym 2 times a day(guess you could say i'm a little obsessed) but all kidding aside it was not as bad as expected morphine in the hospital then home w/pain pills..I was exercising a month later... although have had to undergo hernia surgery twice that was my only complication..I am now consulting w/plastic surgeons to undergo adomoplasty(tummy tuck) heard that is painfull...best of luck my friend don't be nervous you'll do fine sincerely lisa
   — Lisa C.




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